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December 31, 2010

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Brian

FYI-the link to the alleged "documented decline of marriage and its negative consequences" doesn't work.

Brian

Though I wanted to add that since you seem concerned about the decline in popularity of marriage because its alleged negative consequences, then I would encourage you to take an explicit stand in favor of allowing committed gay couples to participate equally in that institution... at the very least in civil form.

Johannah

What Brian said.

Bob Conner

Thanks. Link is fixed.

Bob Conner

Since you guys insist on dragging this in, it seems like Cuomo and Lee support marriage more for gays than for themselves. "The personal is political," as the feminists say.

Brian

Well you were talking about the importance of marriage so it seemed pertinent.

I think it's fairer to say what Cuomo supports is choice. He supports that gays should have the right to choose marriage and that he should have the right not to.

Brian

Incidentally, surveying people’s opinions on the institution hardly constitutes ‘[documented] negative consequences.’ That said, only 29% in said poll claimed that the growing variety of family types is a ‘bad thing,’ 57% don’t think gays and lesbians having children is a ‘bad thing’ and 2/3 of Americans are ‘optimistic’ about ‘the institution of marriage and the family.’

Bob Conner

Yes, Cuomo and Lee have the right not to get married. But when she is holding the Bible at his swearing-in, and they are a very public, wealthy and powerful couple, maybe the focus should be more on their responsibilities.

Matthew

You're really reaching on this one.

Considering the crappy confidence voters have of State Politics, whether an elected official is or is not married is probably the farthest thing from our minds.

You're also missing the point that the conclusions drew from the Pew Research. Americans are increasingly comfortable w/ alternative social kin groups. This is nothing new if you've taking any socialogy course.

Furthermore, how does another person choosing to wait & get married (or not even get married at all, especially after coming off a recent divorce) remotely effects your marriage?

Bob Conner

Lee quoted in today's New York Post:
" "I think when it's important to the kids, we'll do it. Right now, we have much more important things to do," she said.

So far, not making it official hasn't been a problem, she said.

"We don't even think about it, and nobody says anything," Lee said. "

So you, Matt, and many others support her position, but I am somebody saying something.

David Brickman

C'mon Bob - if your readers want to hear you come out in favor of gay marriage, I'd like to join them in urging you to do that. It is way overdue, and will happen eventually, so why fight it? The more people who are in committed marriages, the better for marriage as an institution. Or, we could follow the example of the Scandinavian nations and just sort of forget about marriage altogether. Rah, Rah!

Brian

Matt, of course he’s reaching. In the last two gubernatorial elections, the GOP followed his advice ran someone who shared his very conservative positions on social issues and in both cases, they got slaughtered. This followed three elections when they ran a social moderate and won. This just happens to be the straw he’s grasping.

Brian

In fact, the previous Republican governor before Pataki (Nelson Rockefeller... elected three times) was famously socially liberal.

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