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November 14, 2011

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EFBertsch

Bob your argument makes no sense to me. It seems to suggest that a large number of NYS (or NYC)criminals were locked up in the '80ies thereby reducing crime in NYC in the 90ies??? Come again????? All the criminally inclined (or actually convicted)were already in prison? There wasn't a new cohort of criminals to populate the prisons in the 90ies????? Is that your proposition?

Bob Conner

Hi Elmer: With the crime rate exploding from 1960 to 1990 (when there were six times more homicides in NYC than there had been 30 years earlier), prisons quickly filled up. Sentencing laws became unenforceable because there was insufficient prison capacity. Mario Cuomo's prison building was the foundation which enabled other policies to work -- those policies/attitudes including: Dinkins hiring more cops, improved policing techniques under Giuliani, tougher sentences passed at the Capitol, Schenectady's Operation Crackdown in 1993 (which had a big effect for a few years), welfare reform in the 1990s, police aid and tougher sentences passed in D.C., decreased public and elite tolerance for crime.

Bob Conner

And just as the broken windows theory says that ignoring crime brings more of it, so building prisons enabled New York to enforce laws and reverse the 30-year trend, creating a virtuous, un-vicious cycle.

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